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Can Waterford And New London Work Together?

New Animal Shelter Exposes Differences Between Municipalities

Waterford has a median household income of $71,000, East Lyme’s is $84,000, and both towns are suburban, have nonexistent murder rates and are predominately white. New London, meanwhile, has a median household income of $43,126, roughly as many minorities as whites and much higher violent crime rates.

So do the three towns have enough in common to share an animal shelter? Depends on whom you ask.

“I think there is a very good chance,” Waterford First Selectman Dan Steward said. “Once we see (New London’s) policies, we can work these things out.”

Meanwhile, Animal Control Facility Study Committee co-chair Margaret Ormond isn’t so optimistic.

“(New London) is not holding the project up, let’s put it that way,” Ormond said. “Right now, we are too far apart.”

Waterford and East Lyme have been sharing an animal control facility and animal control officers for more than 40 years. Salem also uses the facility, although not the animal control officer, to house its animals.

The agreement between East Lyme and Waterford says that East Lyme will pay for the animal control vehicle, while Waterford will pay for the building, Steward said. The current building was built in 1956 for $6,000, Steward, Ormond and Animal Control Officer Robert Yuchniuk said. It does not meet several current building codes, and needs to be replaced, they said.

To potentially make the facility cheaper, New London could join in, as broader regionalization usually equals cost savings, Steward said. However, for New London to join in with East Lyme-Waterford, some things might have to change on both sides, he said.

“The cultural environment is different,” Steward said. “They have many more incidents than (East Lyme and Waterford) do.”

New London also , according to state records. That’s because New London doesn’t have the room to house all the animals, Steward said, with information derived from a meeting with New London Police Chief Margaret Ackley.

“They have animals that are specifically trained to attack police officers,” Steward said. “They have different challenges than we do.”

Waterford’s current adoption policy is non-negotiable, Ormond said in a previous interview. In Waterford, a healthy animal would never be euthanized, she said.

Ackley met with the animal shelter committee Monday night, although little was accomplished, Ormond said. Ackley deferred the questions to Police Captain Michael Lacey, who heads the animal control department in New London, Ormond said.

“(Ackley) said she does not micromanage,” Ormond said. “So I guess we will have to talk to Captain Lacey.” Lacey is currently on leave, but the committee hopes to meet with him sometime in May, Ormond said. Lacey has candidly refused changing any of New London’s policies in private conversations, but perhaps he will change his mind in a public meeting, Ormond said.

The decision to join with New London or not has to be done quickly, because it greatly changes the size and potentially the location of the building, Ormond says. Whatever the building would be with East Lyme-Waterford, it would be double with New London added, Ormond said.

The group looked at a rough drawing of a 27-run facility in April. Ormond’s logic would put the facility at more than 50 dog runs, along with a larger cat room.

The current location of the animal shelter, behind youth services, is the location the town will look at first, Zoning Official Michael Gladden said. If the shelter is too big to fit though, another spot would have to be found, Gladden said.

Funding

The animal control facility committee is still looking for donations, and is about to complete a fundraising brochure. Many townspeople have raised money, in a variety of creative ways.

The group asked for a $45,000 designation from the board of finance in March for a drawing of the facility, but the finance board denied the request. Board member George Peteros has been an outspoken critic of spending money on a new shelter.

“The town is currently laying off employees and cutting human services, yet we are supposed to appropriate money for the perceived needs of stray dogs that wander across the (New London) border,” Peteros said in an earlier interview. “That doesn’t make sense to me.”

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BJ May 12, 2011 at 04:34 pm
Here we have a perfect opportunity to use common sense. It is in the interest of the public to have “animal control,” but a dog pound is a luxury, and NOT something the taxpayers should pay for (no matter the economy). Stray dogs should be euthanized on the spot, if you want a dog KEEP CONTROL OF IT. If people believe that is “harsh,” then YOU pay someone to drive around and pick up the dogs before an officer sees it; and YOU (at your own expense) take care of the dogs. How can anyone believe that it is OK to reach into my pocket to pay for a luxury that is in THEIR EMOTIONAL interest, not mine?
Kathleen Mitchell May 12, 2011 at 07:00 pm
I cannot, for the life of me, see what median household income, murder rates or the number of minorities living in any of the towns in question have to do with the sharing of an animal shelter.
The fact that not one of the people commenting on this article seemed to have thought that an unusual concern does suggest some serious differences in the things we place value on.
Paul Petrone (Editor) May 12, 2011 at 07:34 pm
The point is Ms. Mitchell that Waterford and New London have different issues. New London has more crime and more poor people than Waterford or East Lyme, and less money and more crime affects the animal population. That creates a difference in policy between the city and the two towns, which exists today.
Before the three can agree to build an animal shelter, the they all need to agree on the same policies for dealing with the animals at that shelter. It becomes more difficult, although by no means impossible, when you are dealing with different animal populations.
GravityDidIt May 12, 2011 at 07:50 pm
I would like to know what "BJ" considers a stray dog. If my dog runs down the street after a squirrel and the Animal Control Officer sees it on the street 2 houses down, you think it should be put down? It sounds like you are a crusty old man living under a rock who is a little out of touch with reality. I realize it should not run, but sometimes they do. It doesn't make me totally irresponsible or my dog an out of control animal. It was a mistake, an accident, they happen. Unless in your perfect world they don't.
BJ May 12, 2011 at 08:33 pm
I am not sure what my gender, age, or crustiness has to do with this discussion? My point is that I do not believe that it is the taxpayer’s responsibility to pay for the housing of dogs; however it has become the accepted norm. But if you will allow me to swing the pendulum the other way for the sake of this discussion… let’s say it was the “accepted norm” that if your dog chased a squirrel and an officer saw it, it would be put down. Would you then make sure that your dog was properly trained? It is possible to properly train an animal (have you ever seen a guide dog chase a squirrel?) The bigger point is that just because we have always paid for a dog hotel does NOT make it the “right choice.”
Charity Kennedy May 13, 2011 at 12:54 am
New London, Waterford and East Lyme also share a hospital, which, as you know, is located in New London. Since none of you are interested in combining forces to help stray animals because of wandering dogs from the New London border, should New London then, stop allowing victims from Waterford and East Lyme from using New London's hospital?
I live in East Lyme and in the last week, my husband and I have seen two stray dogs wandering down the middle of Boston Post Road. Both dodged getting hit by multiple cars. I would say that since they were strays, they most likely wandered here all the way from New London except that when we got out of the car to see if they had a collar, their tags both had East Lyme phone numbers to call. This article reeks of discrimination.
Wayne Vendetto May 13, 2011 at 01:34 am
Any coherent person who shops at Stop and Shop or drives the Boston Post Rd area can plainly see that Wtfd has a huge homeless population. Just maybe if New London didnt have to spend Social Service money on Wtfds issue we just might have money to house the animals a little bit longer.Mr Petrone, you are either blind or out of touch. Either way, the tone of the article is one of the many reasons I CHOOSE to live in New London
Paul Petrone (Editor) May 13, 2011 at 02:24 am
First off, I live in New London. And I love New London. I wouldn't want to live anywhere else (sorry Waterford).
Second, I'm reporting what was told to me about New London and Waterford's animal populations. Comparing a private hospital to a public entity like an animal shelter is apples to oranges. According to the people whose job it is to know, there is a difference between the animal populations of Waterford-East Lyme and New London. That isn't being discriminatory, its reporting the reality of the situation.
Wayne Vendetto May 13, 2011 at 02:41 am
I digress, I was not aware Wtfd's First Selectman was an animal expert. My apologies to the author, I confused Petrone with Peteros. In any event, the word expert implies the ability to handle any animal. Possibly a future article will deal with Wtfd's refusal to acknowladge or deal with it's own social problems. I would love to read a quote from Peteros on that one
Paul Petrone (Editor) May 13, 2011 at 02:45 am
O, well never mind.
I would like to say that George Peteros strongly supported giving more to the social service grants, which includes organizations like the New London homeless shelter. His point was that the town shouldn't help out animals while people were still in desperate need.
Alrighty then May 13, 2011 at 12:08 pm
"Any coherent person who shops at Stop and Shop or drives the Boston Post Rd area can plainly see that Wtfd has a huge homeless population. Just maybe if New London didnt have to spend Social Service money on Wtfds issue"
Wayne. Really. Really. Yes, these homeless just sprout from the ground in Waterford. Waterford grows their own brand of homeless people. The homeless in Waterford come from New London. Staying in the area of Stop & Shop and A&P liquor allows them to return cans to those stores and buy liquor quickly. The location then allows them to walk back to the soup kitchen in New London for dinner. Along the way they urinate, cause problems, and steal. They eat in New London, and then come back to Waterford to sleep in the woods. But they most decidedly originate in New London.
Kathleen Mitchell May 13, 2011 at 01:05 pm
Paul Petrone - A bunch of us from New London got together and decided to forgive you based on the fact that you live in New London which shows that you are an intelligent, caring and wise individual with an appreciation for diversity.
There's even a chance that you might play a musical instrument or otherwise be involved in the very active arts community in New London. Having said that(and we want to give you a I"M NEW LONDON PROUD TShirt if you come to Riverside this Saturday) this article and some of the comments still sounds, if not racist, then elitist. Those of us who live in New London and love and appreciate this fine city are more than a little bit tired of being a scapegoat for others who might better use their time repairing their own towns, etc. Peteros is quoted as saying “The town is currently laying off employees and cutting human services, yet we are supposed to appropriate money for the perceived needs of stray dogs that wander across the (New London) border,That doesn’t make sense to me.” Those of us who live in New London are wondering the very same thing about people who cross our borders with their very many real needs for which our city bears the burden with little or no help from surrounding towns. He's worried about a few dogs that he seems to think come from New London and we're worried about actual human beings. Let's get real here.
Robert May 13, 2011 at 01:07 pm
Many services provided by the towns are not utilized by 100% of the population, We all pay taxes for schools but not everyone has children, we all pay for fire protection, but many will never have cause to use them (thankfully). The same logic applies to the animal control, not everyone owns a dog, but even non dog owners may have cause to call on their services, perhaps a complaint about a neighbors dog, a victim of a dog bite or a reported rabid animal in the area where your children play, it is nice when a trained professional responds to handle these calls for service. It is easy to say we don't need something, that is until we do need something. Money is tight all over this state, but no one (in New London, Waterford or East Lyme) wants to hear "no one is coming" when you make a call for service. That said, The Waterford East Lyme Animal Shelter is currently accepting TAX DEDUCTIBLE donations for the purpose of building a new animal shelter, Interested parties can mail their checks, made payable to the Town of Waterford to the ACO at 41 Avery Lane Waterford Ct 06385. Thank you to all my fellow animal lovers out there in south eastern Connecticut.
"A nation can be judged by how it treats its animals." - Gandhi Officer Robert Yuchniuk Waterford East Lyme Animal Control
Paul Petrone (Editor) May 13, 2011 at 01:25 pm
Well thank you Ms. Mitchell. I have heard you are not the person to upset, so I'm glad I'm forgiven. (By the way the only musical instrument I played in my life is a trombone in the 6th grade, and not overly into arts, more of the art of football and cold beer). But that said, I'll happily accept the shirt.
And not to defend Mr. Peteros again, but your point (He's worried about a few dogs that he seems to think come from New London and we're worried about actual human beings) is exactly his point. He is basically arguing in a limited budget, you can only fund so many things. He is arguing that the money should go to human services first, before it goes to animal services. He was in favor of giving more to the New London homeless shelters, along with other social services, but was overruled by the board of finance.
Wayne Vendetto May 13, 2011 at 04:18 pm
@ Alrighty then, really,really! Very few of the people we are discussing are New London people! They are people from towns such as yours who refuse to take care of their own and instead opt to place the social service burden on the cities! Take care of your business, and the taxpayers of New London will not have to deal with yours as well.
Water Ford May 13, 2011 at 04:36 pm
You said “Money is tight all over this state, but no one (in New London, Waterford or East Lyme) wants to hear "no one is coming" when you make a call for service.” Am I missing something? Did someone say to eliminate the animal control responsibilities? Many of us just don’t think spending $45K tax dollars on building design is needed… $45,000.00 on just design, NO construction. 5 star accommodations for animals isprobably not needed right now.
Waterford Rez May 13, 2011 at 05:37 pm
Someone who is really concerned (or a group) can write PETA or some other organization who has an interest in this and ask for grants or donations. This is NOT a taxpayer issue. If every person who feels strong about this kicked in 10 or 20 bucks (one pizza, or a trip to the movies) they would raise the $$$ in no time. Stop whining and dining and start giving and living (your convictions).
The address is right above. I personally am sending a donation today. Who else will take 5 minutes of your day and send a few bucks? This is how America used to do things, citizens, not gov solve most problems. Maybe Patch can keep in touch with the WELAC and post how the donations are doing over the next month or too. What do you say Paul?
BJ May 13, 2011 at 08:12 pm
Well said, a breath of fresh air!!!! I have my own pet causes (pun indented) I contribute to, but I would never force someone else to support them.
Paul Petrone (Editor) May 13, 2011 at 09:10 pm
I certainly will keep track, look forward to covering it. I'll put the total once a week in my daily five.
Kathleen Mitchell May 13, 2011 at 10:27 pm
Wayne Vendetto - Is Alrighty then kidding? I'm not sure how to take his or her post.
If he's serious, I'd like to know how he's able to tell a Waterford homeless individual from a New London homeless individual or is he saying that there are no homeless people from Waterford? I'm very confused about his post and would appreciate some clarification if that's at all possible.
BJ May 13, 2011 at 11:26 pm
I would like some clarification too. If someone is "homeless" then how can you assign them an "address?" Waterford has an ordinance (of some sort) that makes it illegal to feed the Canadian geese; the idea being if you do not feed them they will not poop in our town. This makes sense for geese problem, and seems to help. I am not advocating the same idea for the homeless (i.e. not feed them), but rather asking the question: Who's are they, and how can you tell? Better yet: Who is responsible for helping them? Why is it that you believe New London's approach to helping them is the "correct" one? Perhaps Waterford's charities are not as vocal about how they are helping. Perhaps Waterford is more effective and they are not ONLY feeding the homeless, but also giving them places to stay OFF the street.
moggylover May 15, 2011 at 02:15 am
Build a regional pound! If all involved put forth $ proportionate to the # of pets they each handle yearly costs would be fairly divided from the start. Then, these numbers can be reevaluated every 5 years.
Each community would follow state statutes. And, it's vitally important that all ACO’s be police officers. They would then be equal. There will be differences in each community. But each community will have their own animal control officers take care of their animals. So community differences shouldn’t be a major part in how animals are treated. Disputes could be directed up the chain of command. Or, perhaps a board can be created from the onset to specifically address pound issues. Frankly, it is unacceptable to ignore this because of money. If the 3 or 4 communities served all put their share of $ in toward realizing this goal it can be done. Remember, costs should be pro-rated. FACTS ARE: THE FACILITIES ARE DESPERATELY IN NEED! When water bowls freeze in the winter; & there is no air conditioning in the stifling heat of summer; when food is spoiled by humidity; & poor air quality allows disease to run rampant THE ANIMALS SUFFER. This is inhumane. It is not acceptable to lock up pets in cold/damp/moldy/drafty/sweltering/tiny/rusty & inadequate cages that fragrantly violate current codes. These towns need to PUT THEIR BIG GIRL PANTS ON and JUST DO IT. Our children watch & learn from us. We need to teach them compassion and & step up today.
BJ May 15, 2011 at 03:09 am
Inhumane? THEY ARE ANIMALS!!!! 100’s of millions of PEOPLE are suffering all over the world, and you want to force cash strapped taxpayers to pay for five star accommodations for dogs? Help me understand this. You are right, our children are watching, and this is how (generation after generation) we have become a nation of self-gratifying whiners who think everything is “someone’s” fault and the government needs to fix it. Feel free to spend YOUR money on dogs, but don’t get all self-righteous and reach into my wallet to help dogs over people; that makes me sick.
R Lee Balderdash May 15, 2011 at 02:38 pm
"Dog" is "God" spelled forward to some "humans". Increase licensing fees for dogs to pay for animal facility. Enforce leash laws and fines on offenders. Regulate dog breeders/sellers to promote responsible dog ownership. Spay. Neuter. Euthanize.
Crazy-in-Wtfd. May 15, 2011 at 03:09 pm
Understanding that all buildings need to meet codes and ordinances, can't someone begin a campaign to get most of the labor for the facility done through volunteers? This would reduce the cost significantly. With all the animal lovers in southeast CT, Im sure some are contractors who could lend thier expertise. Habitat For Humanity builds houses for a fraction of the price thanks to volunteers, can't we do same for a new animal shelter?
There must be a fairly new facility in the state or in New England with building plans that could be copied or used as a guide, rather than $45,000 for a brand new design. I know the Groton skate park got offered many thousands of dollars, just to have a certain brand vending machine be the only one allowed at the park. (monopolizing the sales for that company at that park). The amount was significant. Maybe since our facility is also adjacent to the skate park, we could look into a similar deal. Just ideas.....the facility is needed. But many are struggling to make ends meet as well. Can't we find a happy medium somewhere?
Momof2 May 16, 2011 at 02:07 am
Crazy-in-Wtfd, you have some really great ideas. They make sense and they seem very attainable
As for BJ..words cannot describe my disgust for you & your opinion on animals. I feel it is safe to say that you are not a pet owner & thank goodness for that! You would be one of those that leaves their animal out in the freezing cold in the winter & the scorching heat in the summer. Those of us that care about animals understand the need for a new facility. I think that people in the town are putting in a good effort to try & raise money on their own.
CU Seaside May 17, 2011 at 03:59 pm
I say no to a tax financed dog shelter. Do it with private voluntary financing. Joining it with New London on this project makes no sense. It has nothing to do with the homeless. They just have more "trained to attack" pit bulls than we have in Waterford and East Lyme. George Peteros has it right. Housing dogs is a low priority. I have been a loving pet owner in the past and know that a dog, even a trained dog will chase a squirrel. If we can locate the owner, we should fine him heavily before returning the dog. Dogs whose owners cannot be located should be placed for adoption and if not adopted within 2 weeks be euthanized.
BJ May 17, 2011 at 05:05 pm
So glad I could accommodate you, but I think that you are jumping to a wrong conclusion. I have a great love for animals in fact I do not even eat them, the thought of eating animals DISGUSTS me (how about you, do you think so much of them that you do NOT eat them?). However, they are still animals (not humans); and as such I think that our priorities are all mixed up (for heaven sake this nation kills BABIES, at taxpayers' expense, AND now people are calling for the taxpayers to pay to keep dogs alive). We can talk about peoples passions (and how some want those funded at taxpayer expense), but MY point is that people should NOT be taxed for ANYTHING that could/should be funded by those with the passion for it. If that was the case, we would ALL see an 70-80% reduction in our tax burden (that would certainly free up a lot of cash to fund what we as individuals believe is a priority. The government wastes more than they provide service, do you want BETTER or do you want status quo? If private donations are raised and the facility is built, I will applaud the effort and the result, but if I am given the choice (as to where my money goes) I will support the adoption of CHILDREN, not dogs.
John Yannacci, Sr. July 5, 2011 at 05:48 pm
I'm not a professional construction man but I own a lot of tools and can use them pretty effectively. I'd be more than happy to donate time and tools to help construct an animal shelter. I've come to find that dogs are more loyal, honest, and friendly than most people I've met. I wouldn't want to partner with New London for anything.
BTD CEO September 4, 2011 at 07:16 pm
Now I am worried,
are you telling me if i smell like polyester i cant safely travel through New London? I would suggest warning signs or something people need to know!
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