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The 'TRUTH' about the Republican Medicare Proposal

An attempt to bring clarity to a subject that is being almost totally distorted for political gain.

If you're a senior citizen, you are a target of a planned misinformation campaign. Videos of Grandma being thrown off the cliff, and worse yet our own elected Congressmen and Senators will hold Town Hall meetings to tell you of the "dire consequences to you and the loss of your coverage".

You are smart enough not to fall for the kind of political party-based rhetoric, which is without substance and worse yet does not address the "real" problem. The real problem is that we cannot ignore the huge "Debt" of our State, or of our Country.We must find ways to live within our income. We all, no matter what our age is, need to start to educate ourselves and to get involved in the political process.

We're deep in debt, and it's partially our own fault. We voted people into positions of power, and we didn't pay enough attention to what they were doing, and how they were doing it. We're all tired of listening to the Politicians telling us "what to believe", when they've established a history with us of being "unbelievable" in what they say.

If you take the time, you can find out what's true and what's not.

HERE ARE SOME TRUTHS ABOUT THE REPUBLICAN PROPOSAL FOR MEDICARE REFORM

1. If you are 55 years old or older, "THERE WILL BE NO CHANGE IN YOUR COVERAGE, YOUR MEDICARE AND SOCIAL SECURITY BENEFITS WILL REMAIN AS THEY ARE TODAY"

2. If you're younger than 55, then over the next ten years there will be changes. Your payments into the system, will result in your receiving a check, or voucher, on retirement which you can spend  to buy the kind of medical coverage you want. States will be forced to open their borders to competing insurance providers, and to eliminate many of the mandates they now insist our in State providers supply.

The Republican plan is almost a mirror copy of the medical plan Congress now has.

Should there be any doubt in your mind as to the accuracy, please e-mail me at bud_fay_8@msn.com, and I will supply information direct from Congressman Paul Ryan.

We, you and I, have been whipsawed from crisis to crisis. What we face today is a series of facts we can't ignore. Each of us, our children and grandchildren, owe between $40,000 and $50,000 toward the federal debt, and some $13,600 in State debt. This kind of spending must stop.

The Republican 2012 budget is a plan that will return some "common sense" to Government, rein in spending, reduce Government size, and atack the waste, fraud, and corruption that's been allowed to take place.

The Democratic plan, is to spend more, make Government larger, control more and more of your life, and unfortunately oppose the Republican plan, by attempting to "Frighten" us all into rejecting it. Our choice is whom to believe.

I choose to believe in the intelligence and common sense of the American people, they know when they are hearing the "Truth", and they know when they are not.

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BJ May 30, 2011 at 09:25 PM
Great talking points! But, you have to separate the label "conservative" from the republican party. As a president, Bush was a failure, and certainly NOT a conservative (he was more liberal than the pre-70's democrats (but what happened to the democrats??? does anyone really support the present socialist agenda they have?). The politicians of today (BOTH parties) have one agenda: re-election. And the best way to do that is the current strategy i.e. have a polarizing agenda to get the voting public fighting against each other (rather than throwing the self serving politician's butts out of office). I long for the days (now long gone) when (reasonable) liberals and (real) conservatives could have a productive argument about real solutions to mutual agreed upon problems. Now what we have is an out of control government machine that has produced a dependent class of people who will keep the ball rolling down hill until there is nothing left to save. What we have today is exactly what the founders fought to free themselves from; do the majority of Americans really want what we have today? NO! But there are enough people who are unwilling to risk what little they have left on a chance, that as a nation, we could return to sanity... so here we are arguing about HOW to let the politicians destroy the country, rather than stopping them.
Casey May 31, 2011 at 01:56 AM
I find it hard to think of one area where America is better off domestically or internationally after 2+ years under the current administration but when anyone suggests that Obama has not lived up to expectations - it is George Bush’s fault. This is a very tired argument. Somehow you have assumed that because I criticized Obama I am a conservative republican. Why not provide some facts that show how I am wrong about Obama’s failure to deliver rather than suggest that my view is just right wing nonsense? The partial list of areas that concern me is repeated below – feel free to use this list in your response pointing out the Obama accomplishments. • We are no closer to resolving issues with Iran and North Korea. • We haven’t even begun to address energy independence • Unemployment continues at 9%+ • Our national debt soars above $14 Trillion • We have failed to make progress with regard to illegal aliens • Partisan politics has never been worse
John Sheehan May 31, 2011 at 02:24 AM
One of the joys of our republic is that we must compromise to get anything done, especially when the government is split. Unfortunately, one side of the aisle does not recognize climate change, is not willing to increase goverment revenue to pay down some of the debt, is not willing to close any tax loop holes to increase revenue, nor willing to have a fair way for currently illegal residents to become legal along with the increase in border security. Immigrants built the US and still do today. IF that side is willing to make some compromise on increased revenue, a balanced immigration policy, and a balanced energy policy that does not destroy the environment we might be able to get some where. By the way, the caps on the "premium support" will insure that medical insurance will become unattainable within five years of the introduction of the program for seniors turning 65 in 2022. Does not sound like a good deal to me.
Casey May 31, 2011 at 11:09 AM
Thanks John Now I get it - Obama deserves a 60% favorability rating because his failure to deliver is someone else's fault. Who exactly is supposed to "Lead" us out of this dilema? If it is not the president then we are hopelessly lost and the clock is ticking. Not too much more time needs to pass under these circumstances before America becomes a second string player in global afairs.
Mike May 31, 2011 at 02:20 PM
Working Class American, who was President in 1999 and 2000 when those 'Bills' were passed? LOL Based on your response I have to assume you are a head in the sand jim jones koolaid type? Oil Wars? Industrial Military Complex.... Who controlled the house, the senate and the Presidency for the last 2 years???? You need to take off the tinfoil hat, move out of your moms basement, but down your copy of Catcher in the Rye, and embrace the sunlight. If that's too much to begin with, perhaps just try to hide your hypocrisy with a little more success. If I understand your ranting correctly, if a R-President is in the White House then everything is his fault regardless of the Congress and it will remain his fault for at least a decade after he leaves. IF a D-President is in the White House, well then, it's the R-Congess that is to blame??? Am I understanding you correctly???
Mike May 31, 2011 at 02:27 PM
How is agreeing to all the demands of the left, compromising? Climate change? Immigration? Why do you call it increase revenue?, when what you mean is increase taxation? Obama and the democrats had a super-majority for 2 years... Why didn't they solve all these issues you speak of? Compromise... ha Compromise as defined by the Democrats is a joke.
John Sheehan May 31, 2011 at 02:49 PM
The Rules of the Senate give the minority great power. Actually, Obama and the DEMS accomplished a great deal in the two years they were in the majority (not a super majority). That may have been one of the reasons that the DEMS lost the House in 2010. The REPUBs were energized and the DEMS were not. The Health Care Act is not as "effective" as DEMS would have preferred because of compromises with the REPUBs that made no difference in the end because there was no real support on that side of the aisle despite the compromises. The BUSH tax cuts were renewed in December after a compromise was reached with the Senate REPUBs and the incoming House Majority. Most DEMS would have preferred to let the tax cuts expire for those earning a taxable income of over $250,000.
R Lee Balderdash May 31, 2011 at 05:20 PM
Liberals deviseth liberal things. Even though they had the super-majority for two years they "compromised" with Republicans to get a few of them to go along, so that when their stupid ideas failed they could blame it all on Republicans. Democracy isn't "compromise"- it's a tally of votes; and any people that are willing to compromise on their principles don't deserve such a fine system of representative government.
Mike May 31, 2011 at 05:37 PM
I understand the anger, I really do and I feel a bit sorry for my liberal friends. When you look at all the craziness that surrounded the Liberal hate of GW, it becomes very difficult to be a liberal these days. Instead of ending 2 wars, Obama started a 3rd. Instead of closing Gitmo, it remains open. Ending the Patriot Act? Nah. The poor liberals had no idea that Obama would sooo embrace, extend and enhance the war fighting policies of GW. Then you look at the economy, he's doubled down on debt, unemployment remains at 9+%, and we didn't get that nirvana known as a single payer system. But he did manage to get DADT fixed... lol. So yes, very hard to be a liberal these days. As far as compromise... If the liberals ask for a 120% percent and the republicans 'compromise' them down 20%.... what has been accomplished? You're pretense of compromise is a false question/idea, unfortunately many if not all of the republicans have bought into it - So we have progressives and then we have these fat-free progressives (republicans) all compromising on shit that the majority of Americans don't want. Now where do I sign up for more shovel ready projects?
John Sheehan May 31, 2011 at 06:16 PM
My final comment on this thread - Dems believe that government can work for the better good of all and will do what is necessary to make that happen, even work with the other side. Repubs don't believe that government can work and hope that it doesn't. That limits their ability to compromise to get things done. It really is sad that the extremes on both sides are preventing reasonable persons on both sides from reaching decisions that will help rather than hinder progress. I am not saying that the Dems are right all the time, they aren't. Most Dems understand that and, therefore, are willing to listen and take some ideas and positions from the Repubs. The Conservatives seem to beleive that they are correct in all situations and are not willing to take ideas from the other side. That is why they are more effective with thirty second sound bites. Dems have to take more than three sentences to explain their positions (this entry is an example). The Repubs make it easy with slogans like "No Taxes!"
Mike May 31, 2011 at 06:36 PM
The problem with the dems and many of the republicans is that they believe in exactly what you say, "...can work for the better good of all....". Comrade, that one statement says it all, for who defines the 'better good of all'? Conservatives believe in government that is defined within limits and clearly set forth in the constitution. You will not find, "for the better good of all" stated anywhere in the constitution and if that is true (which it is) then why is our government trying to force the 'betterment' on all of us? The reason democrats can't use sound bites is because it's hard to wrap all those lies into 3 words, so they try to pose as nuanced and over educated. When in reality if they just said what they meant the slogans could be achieved... here's a perfect example, "Spread the WEALTH!" .... er....ah.... yeah Americans won't like that, so we'd better talk about something that hides it better. Here's another example, "increase revenues....." .... ah .... yeah everyone likes revenues right? Or even better, a 3 thousand page health care bill or a 70 thousand page tax code. Yep they're just so nuanced it's hard for the rest of us dolts to understand. That's a great argument, you guys... yeah, you're all just too dumb, so just do what we say. Slogans are easy when you mean what you say, not so much when you're trying to hide the truth. I'm not suggesting that you are hiding or lying, John, just that politicians do and are.
Working Class American Citizen May 31, 2011 at 07:56 PM
Mike asked "Working Class American, who was President in 1999 and 2000 when those 'Bills' were passed? Bill Clinton was President. If you read my post again you'll see that I never claimed Bush signed that bill, nor did I give Democrats a free pass for their role. I apologize if I wasn't clear. I also recognize that George Bush was not alone. He had help from Congress and most of those people who are all of a sudden "conservative" budget cutters. I also got a good chuckle at your stereotyping of Liberals/Democrats. You sound like you might be an uneducated, corporate kool-aid drinking, teeth missing, Rush Limbaugh listening, Busch Light drinking, NRA member that still lives with his Mom in the trailer park. It's easy to label people without knowing them. In the end you're probably just like me. Your an ordinary guy who carries his own weight in society, but has a different opinion. My problem is with people who can't see that both sides spend. I would love an educated America with low taxes, less than 1% unemployment and little need for social programs. Add in clean air and water and you really have something. "We the people" better start compromising, if we ever want to see that type of America.
Working Class American Citizen May 31, 2011 at 08:28 PM
While across the board socialism for everything is not the answer. A return to a "feudal like" ruling class society is also not the answer. Having a small amount of elite people controlling all of the wealth in this country has a been a recipe for disaster that has crippled our economic growth.
Mike May 31, 2011 at 08:58 PM
I'm glad you chuckled, as that was how I meant it... (and personally I thought it was pretty good). We can agree on something it seems! :) Big government produces waste and not much of anything else - period. History proves this out time and time again. Socialism does not work. Yet ignoring history and facts my liberal friends continue marching onwards towards utopia, because they somehow think they are smarter then everyone else. They know what we need, they understand 'betterment' and they can somehow do it better - not only better than every two bit idiot who's tried socialism, but every American running their own household. This is what irks me the most, and both parties are to blame. We the people better wake up, the party is over and the bill is due.... you can try raising revenues, but the bottom line is you don't have revenue issue, you've got a spending issue. Raising taxes to try and fix a spending issue is like creating Immigration reform without fixing the boarder.... it won't work, all the lies in the world won't change those 2 facts.
BJ May 31, 2011 at 09:34 PM
OK, if 'everyone' agrees that both parties are to blame, then how is "compromise" the answer? Why are we not kicking their butts out of office, and out of our lives? How is MORE government (i.e. the ruling class elite - who are in power spending our hard earned money) with more power going to fix anything?
Ron June 01, 2011 at 01:16 AM
Mr Haynes I agree with you 100 %. The liberals blamed George Bush for the earthquake in Japan and the tornadoes in Joplin, but gave credit to Obama by choosing him for the Nobel Peace Prize which was selected by the Nobel Prize committee 11 days into his presidency. At least the Jewish community ( which voted 83 % for Obama) will see how much they benefit under the Obama plan to give back their land and security to the Muslims. Obama is an empty suit pretender that instead of creating jobs spent several trillion dollars with Nancy Pelosi to create union jobs in Washington.
BJ June 01, 2011 at 02:03 AM
"Obama is an empty suit pretender that instead of creating jobs spent several trillion dollars with Nancy Pelosi to ...[BUY VOTES]!"
Working Class American Citizen June 01, 2011 at 12:42 PM
Since the Republicans are in cost-cuttin­g mode, they need to... 1.) Stop all farm subsidies 2.) Stop all Big Oil subsidies 3.) Stop tobacco subsidies 4.) Stop every other subsidies out there even if it hurts one of their corporate backers. If they truly believe in Capitalism­, they would make these cuts, as their motto is: "everyone sinks or swims on their own" But of course we all know who pays the bills.
Mike June 01, 2011 at 01:07 PM
Now you're talking! You could just sum it up - 1. Kill all welfare entitlements. Family and Children, Unemployment, Unemployment trust, Workers Compensation, Housing, Social exclusion (don't even know what the heck that means but it's 176.6 Billion of the Federal Budget), and the biggest spending - Health Care. Cut it all down to the bare minimum, some of it should be completely gone. What's interesting is the Paul Ryan plan creates a solution, something NO ONE has even attempted to do. A solution that lets people over 55 maintain their current entitlements, after all they payed and were promised - those promises should be kept. It offers a solution, and yet... you libs would rather squabble and fear monger. Which of course makes sense, as the democrats have put great effort into creating this entitlement voting block. You're the party of big government and anything that reduces government (and thereby your potential gov't addicted voting block) is a evil thing. The democrats and to a large part the republicans would rather pander to welfare recipients and illegal aliens then go out and win the vote from free minded citizens. Which is one reason why this country is 1. Where we are and 2. Not going to get any better anytime soon.
Working Class American Citizen June 01, 2011 at 01:13 PM
Ron - Care to provide some quotes/sources or links to back up your claims of Bush being blamed for Japan and Joplin? Maybe Glen Beck will blame these disasters on Socialism. That would be a hoot. Not to get to far off of topic considering that government cuts/medicare was the main topic. But since Ron brought it up. George W Bush also brought up the idea of returning to some form of the pre 1967 borders. http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2008/01/20080110-3.html. This policy is nothing new in fact it hasn't changed from Clinton to Bush to Obama. The 1967 borders have long been viewed as a starting point for peace negotiations. Republicrat or Demapublican view...what exactly is the difference here?
Mike June 01, 2011 at 01:17 PM
All that said, if we are going to turn the discussion to republicans and 'their corporate backers' perhaps we should first look at this Administration and their closeness with Mr. Jeffrey Immelt and GE? Maybe ask them why they gave Haliburton a 'no bid' contract, and are still using Blackwater.... lol, too easy. Hypocrisy at it's best.
Mike June 01, 2011 at 01:22 PM
So, if Bush said it was okay, it's now okay? I thought we hated Bush? Now I'm just confused. lol
Working Class American Citizen June 01, 2011 at 02:18 PM
Simply pointing out the hypocrisy. I never said I disagreed with Bush about everything. You claim that I hate all things Bush. How do you know what Bush policies I agree with? You also seem to automatically think I agree with everything the Obama administration does. Which is simply not true. I agree with your statements regarding Jeffrey Immeldt and GE. In fact true Progressives want Immeldt off the Presidents Job Growth panel. As for Haliburton and Blackwater still being used that is a shame. I would like to know more specifics regarding this matter. Do you have any agenda free, impartial sources where I could get more info? When were they contracted to do work? What other firms are capable of doing the job? Would be an interesting read. This is why the President should sign the executive order that discloses all political donations made by those who do business with the government, regardless of what party or persons are harmed politically. There is a lot of waste there. Can we agree that our politicians are on the take, and can we do something about it? Getting some of the big money out of politics would make it harder to automatically get elected over and over again. Especially since most of us are tired of the same old people getting elected time and time again.
Casey June 01, 2011 at 02:18 PM
Ron – your mention of union jobs actually brings up one of the most disconcerting aspects of this administration and that is their love affair with the concept of Unionization. In the most recent example the administration has filed a complaint against Boeing for daring to choose to locate one of their plants in South Carolina (a right to work state) on the specious grounds that the move constitutes an unfair labor practice. This outrageous decision has put in motion a precedent that will destroy American businesses. One need only consider the fact that Obama has met more times with Union leaders in the White House than the Secretary of Defense or Energy Secretary to understand what is going on. The American public should be outraged - but they have hardly even noticed. As a final comment, I stand by my original assertion that based on Obama’s 60% approval rating Mr. Fay’s faith is misplaced when he says: “I choose to believe in the intelligence and common sense of the American people, they know when they are hearing the "Truth", and they know when they are not”.
Mike June 01, 2011 at 02:46 PM
I was speaking to the greater audience of liberals, not specifically to you. As far as Haliburton and Blackwater, I will allow you to do your own research - google is your friend :). Those are all good questions, would that they were asked in such a non partisan manner of the Bush Administration. It's hard to get that hate cranked back up now that a liberal democrat is doing the same, I feel for my liberal friends. It's quite the hypocrisy filled quandary they find themselves in.
Ron June 01, 2011 at 03:47 PM
The difference between Bush's understandin of Israel and the border dispute, and Obama's approach is Bush saw Israel as a friend and ally and Obama sees Israel as a pawn and enemy. Obama has gone around the world on his multiple apology tours to embarrass Americans and gain Muslim favor. He made preposterous statements and total exaggerations that Muslims were part of America's history and heritage. He xonstantly tries to confuse the Anerican public to sell what was the grandeur of the Arab world as it existed in the 5th century, and alluding to the fact that this is is the current Muslim contribution to the world. Bush and all democracies in the world understand fully that the Muslim terrorists present the current great challenge to civilized societies. Obama on the other hand thinks by siding with Muslims at the expense of America and Israel he will get favorable treatment. This naive approach to our security by siding with known terrorist states, while sacrificing a true ally will backfire on America and expose the population of Israel to annilation. It is interesting every single campaign platform Obama ran on that denounced Bush's anti terror policies, have now been endorsed by this hypocritical President. America and the world deserve more than the liberal misunderstandings of this current President.
Working Class American Citizen June 01, 2011 at 07:47 PM
Ron, that's quite the theory you have. Nobody! I repeat nobody will ever be able to broker peace in the Middle East while choosing sides. A person or country who chooses a side really makes a poor mediator. Perhaps we should absolve ourselves of the mediator role, and just be an ally to Israel. Mike pointed out that you can google any topic. Wow that really narrows things down! That's fine if you want to sift thorough thousands of sites. I would like to see who or what publication Ron got his Obama-Israel theory from. Maybe a particular website or perhaps a book that you read from the local library would be great. Maybe a magazine? A talk show? What terrorist state have we sided with? We've been giving aid and arming countries with people that want to kill us for a lot of years. Yes even Conservatives have agreed to this budgeted aid. Getting back on topic, maybe we should cut some of this aid before we cut programs for our own people? What a concept. The military and economic aid to Egypt and Israel alone accounted for 4.725 billion dollars off of the 2010 budget. Total foreign military and economic aid totaled 11.778 billion dollars in 2010. It's apparently better to spend that money on foreign countries instead of the American people who are dealing with very tough times. Wow!
Ron June 02, 2011 at 03:48 AM
We side with Saudia Arabia and they provided the 9/11 terrorists. Thus your argument that we do not side with known terrorist states is flawed as to brokering peace, you can only do that with rational people. When Asar Arafat was the spokesperson for the Palistinines both Carter and Clinton tried valiently to broker a peace agreement. Arafat during this time amassed a fortune the Wall Street Journal estimated as high as 20 billion dollars. Thus while you should not take sides, rationale people understand you cannot deal with despots and fakirs of peace. We learned that with Hitler and other manical leaders including what is now happening in Libya. American Presidents before Obama understood the importance of supporting Israel against the Arab countries that never recognized them as a country to this day. As a matter of fact Iran has promised repeatedly to wipe them off the face of the earth, and still deny the holocast occurred.Do you advocate that mediators would take Iran seriously in the real world rather than in your utopia impression of what the world is ? Possibly we should mediate with the Somolia pirates and treat them as equals out of "fairness". Possibly we should treat the terrorists who cut off Daniel Pearl's head as equal points of view. Possibly we shoule have mediated with Hitler as he killed million people in the gas chambers as an equal partner out of fairness in a mediation session. Luckily the Nurenberg trial and world saw it differently than your view.
Working Class American Citizen June 02, 2011 at 02:49 PM
Wow, I am through with this conversation. Yeah okay I support negotiating with Somalian pirates and we definitely should have negotiated with Hitler. What are you smoking? Are you capable of having a conversation without making assumptions? You somehow missed the part where I stated, maybe we should just be Israel's ally and get out of the mediator role. I simply stated that a mediator is impartial, and maybe we shouldn't play that role. With attitudes like yours there will never be peace in the world. And the other side (Muslims) have the exact same attitude I realized that sometime ago. Everyone thinks they're right and everyone else is wrong in your world and theirs. Everyone's religion is better than the other religions in the world. Have a good day Ron. God bless ya!
Norbert V. Fay July 26, 2011 at 12:20 AM
Harry...I believe because I've been involved in he Tea Party for over two years, I run regular meetings monthly, and see the the rising tide of interest in he people turning out. Ultimately people turn to their own common sense and realize that the policie's in place are damaging to them.

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