Union Protests Waterford-EL Dispatch Merger
Union Uses Waterford Patch To Make Its Case
On Jan. 25, Patch ran an article on a proposed agreement between Waterford and East Lyme to regionalize emergency dispatch services. East Lyme would end its dispatch services, and Waterford would hire four more dispatchers and cover both towns, according to Waterford First Selectman Dan Steward.
That article elicited a response from the East Lyme dispatchers and the union that represents them, AFSCME Local 1303-436. An AFSCME Local 1303-436 representative posted a letter on Patch to Steward demanding he “negotiate the impacts of said merger.”
“East Lyme took long-term employees and threw them under the bus,” AFSCME Local 1303-436 chief negotiator Wayne Meyers told Patch Friday. “And for Waterford, I just want them to sit down and talk with us. If they don’t want to do it, that’s fine, we'll do it in court.”
The Problem
East Lyme has three dispatchers. Under the proposed agreement, those dispatchers would be laid off, and then Waterford would hire four new dispatchers.
The dispatchers who would be laid off from East Lyme can apply for the new positions, but would not be guaranteed a position, Steward said. While they have experience, if they can’t pass Waterford’s employment test, they won’t be hired, Steward said.
“I understand their angst,” he said. “But I am not willing to say that just because you were doing this somewhere else means that you are a good employee… You could be taking an employee that doesn’t have any idea what they are doing, and that’s not what we do.”
Meyers, meanwhile, said not only should the jobs be guaranteed to the East Lyme dispatchers, the wages and benefit package should be negotiated with Waterford as well. If they aren't, the union will take Waterford to court, Meyers said.
“We are talking about three employees here for our union, it is not a money thing,” Meyers said. “(The union) will fight this on principle. We want to show that you can’t treat our employees like this.”
Bad Communication
Both Steward and Meyers complained about the way each other has communicated. Meyers said the East Lyme dispatchers found out about the agreement from the January Patch article, while Steward said putting legal demand letters on Patch is “inappropriate.”
Meyers originally told Patch that the dispatchers had no idea about the Waterford-East Lyme agreement until they read it on Waterford Patch. But when pressed, he did say the dispatchers were told about the possibility “two or three times over the last year,” although nothing specific.
Steward complained that the union put a legal demand letter on Waterford Patch before he even had a chance to see it. Steward has been insulted in the comments section of Waterford Patch as well for proposing the agreement, with anonymous users calling him “King Dan.”
“If anybody has any questions, they should be coming to (East Lyme First Selectman Paul Formica or myself) and asking questions,” Steward said. “They shouldn’t be assuming they know what is going on.”
The Benefits
The benefits of the merger are Waterford would save approximately $60,000 annually on overtime, and would receive an extra $80,000 a year from the state, Steward said. East Lyme would save around $130,000, he said.
The proposal still needs to be voted on by the Waterford Representative Town Meeting. An RTM subcommittee is holding a public hearing on the proposed agreement tonight at 6:30.
Kevin Marcks
10:39 am on Monday, February 6, 2012
I feel for anyone who is challenged to find a job these days but i have to answer No, they should not have an automatic job in Waterford. These are 2 separate financial situations with different guildines, pay, and benefits. If the employees that worked in East Lyme are good employees and do a good job why are they opposed to applying for the position? if they have those needed skills and traits to do the job they should have no competition because they have been doing it for a long period of time. This belief that we are owed a guaranteed job for the rest of our lives is not realistic or make any business sense what-so-ever. Sometimes work force reductions or contraction is necessary especially when the economy has been in a down turn for the last 4 years.
Water Ford
12:35 pm on Monday, February 6, 2012
Well said Kevin. Also, I’m finally proud that Mr. Steward is stepping up and doing what is right and not what is popular. I would like to urge Mr. Steward to continue with this philosophy and look at all town departments for cost savings. If consolidation or outsourcing saves taxpayers money, then get it done. If the First Selectman’s job was easy we could hire anybody. We ELECTED you!
Bill
1:32 pm on Monday, February 6, 2012
Right? What is right for who? You have him as your first selectman. He's not the first selectman of East Lyme. Keep his cost savings for Waterford, stay out of East Lyme. Also by the sounds of it. Waterford is already flexing its muscles before EL is even there. Just a preview of things to come for East Lyme.
John Smith
2:55 pm on Monday, February 6, 2012
Have you ever had the opportunity to see either dispatch center? Why would East Lyme want to give up their beautiful station...compared to the tiny, underspaced one Waterford has.
RICHARD WASELIK
3:00 pm on Monday, February 6, 2012
These people should be guaranteed a job. They do a great job in East Lyme. Mr. Steward should not be saying, "But I am not willing to say that just because you were doing this somewhere else means that you are a good employee… You could be taking an employee that doesn’t have any idea what they are doing, and that’s not what we do.” He keeps employees that do bad jobs now, and one in the dispatch center that should have been fire a while ago. You also can not run a regional dispatch center under one town, that is not practical. It is actually dangerous and unethical. Do the research and then talk. Secondly, if you were losing your job, you would not be preaching to others as you are.
Unreal
3:19 pm on Monday, February 6, 2012
Question>? Why would dispatchers laid off from East Lyme, to regionalize services by moving and continue to dispatch for East Lyme under the roof of a building in Waterford have to re-apply for their jobs? They would be doing the same thing that they are doing now. These new positions are for dispatching East Lyme services, Fire, Ambulance and a heads up to the Police prior to being sent up to the State Police to be dispatched 15 minutes after you initially called for your emergency to begin with. The three union employees they are speaking of have been there a long time and do a fine job. So is Steward stating that the Town of East Lyme has and maintains terrible employees that don't know what they are doing?
“I understand their angst,” he said. “But I am not willing to say that just because you were doing this somewhere else means that you are a good employee… You could be taking an employee that doesn’t have any idea what they are doing, and that’s not what we do.”--- Sorry East Lyme, I guess your long time dispatchers don't know what they are doing and are not good employees therefore should not have the right to keep their job that they are doing now for East Lyme only to move their seat several miles down the road. Maybe Easy Lyme should buy the old Waffle House property with grant money, erect a building there for regional dispatch center and make Waterford dispatchers reapply for their jobs, But only if they can pass the East Lyme's employment test.
I know
3:50 pm on Monday, February 6, 2012
Here is where the 'regionalization' goes right out the window when I hear politicians speak on this topic. This mess would have been avoided if they set this up as a true REGIONAL DISPATCH model which would have its own ordinance, manager and budget. The first selectmen in either town would not be deciding the fate of the jobs of employees, equipment or any other asset either in Waterford or East Lyme. It would be the communications center MANAGER who is specifically trained and educated in the running of an Emergency Communications center. Not some politician talking (to the Waterford patch) about how employees will be working for HIS town.. They ALL should be employed for the REGIONAL AUTHORITY, I mean if thats what these 2 first selectmen want this to be.
Co Hanzie
5:04 pm on Monday, February 6, 2012
The cost of trainning new people will be a waste, so why dump people who are on the line already? Put the old Steward in the Dispatch Center for a few hours (no help) and let him get an eye opening. If not, next thing you know, he'll out source to India or China....
dispatcher 56
6:00 pm on Monday, February 6, 2012
I agree with "I Know", WE (all dispatchers) all use the state 911 system, a form of computer-aided dispatch, an EMD program, and are certified by the State of CT. Station W & Station B have been working together for years as they're neighboring towns anyways. If they plan on hiring 4, why not take the 3 from B, and only have to train 1 new dispatcher. If they decide to put on a test, make it a generalized one like a civil service exam, and have ALL of the dispatchers take it, including Waterford's. Fair is fair.
Justin
7:35 pm on Monday, February 6, 2012
AGREED! If you want to lay off the EL dispatchers then lay off all the Waterford Dispatchers as well. They are ALL trained to a Minimum standard therefore are all equal. So Lets also decide that if they want to Lay off the Dispatchers then lay off the people in charge as well. Put a test out for everyone and make everyone " earn" their spot! OH WAIT that would mean Waterford wouldn't have it their way! SO Fair is fair lay everyone off and start from scratch, retest everyone including the PEOPLE IN CHARGE (wtfd police) or leave it alone and stop reinventing the wheel. Also what about the taxplayers of EL that just spent Millions revitalizing the Dispatch center. So thats just in the garbage now? Or does Waterford get that to? And finally for those of you who don't know the Waterford Dispatch center is run by the police. But last time I checked they also dispatch Fire fighters that go to Medical , Fire, Car accidents and numerous other types of calls. So shouldn't there be someone highly trained to represent the tax payers of the Town of Wateford and EL that has experience with this? So maybe they need to reconsider and hire additional people with this knowledge. Sounds expensive! Wasn't the point to save money?
Major Leaguer
7:51 pm on Monday, February 6, 2012
The screwed up fire dispatching in Waterford is the result of the five fire chiefs. Apparently everyone thinks if this happens the dispatchers will neglect EL and 911 calls will ring forever. Please. This would become part of thier job and they would still be expected to do their job. As for the people in charge, the waterford police sergeant does a outstanding job making that center work. The real opposition to this is the 3 people who stand to loose their jobs and the hobbyist dispatchers (part timers) who were never worth thier weight anyway. It's sad for someone to loose their job but that's the gamble you take in civil service. The only part of this that won't work is the 2 dispatcher minimum... It should be 3... One more thing, for all the nay sayers to blog about this is one thing, 3 people showed up tonight to the RTM meeting on it, good thing it was delayed because now you all have 2 weeks to at least pretend to look like you care.
don
7:52 pm on Monday, February 6, 2012
hey major leaguer use your real name or zip it
Major Leaguer
8:10 pm on Monday, February 6, 2012
Since I don't support your opinion that's what you reply? So much for a constructive debate on the matter, some friendly advice spell & grammar check your posts.
Sounds like someone is bitter over not getting hired in 152
I know
12:53 am on Tuesday, February 7, 2012
Major Leaguer, you might want to take a little time to proof read your posts before you chastise someone for their grammar and spelling... Find a quote from your previous post, I put astrisks next to the incorrectly used word in your sentence.
"The real opposition to this is the 3 people who stand to ****loose**** their jobs and the hobbyist dispatchers (part timers) who were never worth thier weight anyway". FYI the correct word would have been spelled "lose"
Louie Ladrone
8:37 pm on Monday, February 6, 2012
Consolidation is the only way to go..........Towns here are too small for each one to have a department for everything at the expense of the taxpayers........Most states have regionalized by counties and have departments that cover probably areas that are as big as 1/2 of CT!
I know
1:07 am on Tuesday, February 7, 2012
Louie, I agree. The issues at hand here are ones of control. Other states have a 'county government' where the tax monies go to support the entire county government. Many "regional dispatch centers" are self revenue generating, financially indepentant from any individual borough OR township (not connected directly to politics). In this case, it appears that East Lyme is going to pay the salaries and benefits of this deal and Waterford gets the state grant money ($100,000+) on an annual basis and saves on their overtime budget by not having to staff the office with 3 dispatchers and go with only 2 on duty which any other normal day is considered a 3 person office. East Lyme is paying for that 3rd person anyway to be on the desk that is going unfilled because somone is on vacation, FMLA leave or out sick ect...
This is a case of the tail wagging the dog.
Vince Jones
7:13 am on Tuesday, February 7, 2012
Don , Major Leaguer is Jake Ragen from Waterford and is a big city ( so he thinks ) dispatcher in New York .
jreagan
9:09 am on Tuesday, February 7, 2012
My last name is spelled "Reagan" and i do work in the busiest communications center in the world in the largest city in the country, so that part i know.
Bill
7:18 am on Tuesday, February 7, 2012
Whoa, Major Leaguer, the 3 dispatchers are not the only ones opposed to this. The EL FIRE & EMS ARE OPPOSED TO THIS. Cant speak about about the Waterford Fire Chiefs and there issues. Another thought going around EL, Waterford who has had there tax base hit by the lowering of Millstone taxes are trying to find more money, cant find it in Waterford, so lets try East Lyme, and New London. Also Major Leaguer, maybe the Waterford Part-time hobbyist arent worth there weight. but you not being from East Lyme have NO RIGHT to critize anything East Lyme DOES.
Waterford for life
8:08 am on Tuesday, February 7, 2012
Maybe the two towns should compare all their full time dispatcher's employee files and the dispatchers that have been disciplined the most should loose their jobs. That way both towns get the best for their money. I don't think I have ever seen anything in the day about EL disciplining a dispatcher, but I do remember that not being the case for the other town.
RICHARD WASELIK
9:01 am on Tuesday, February 7, 2012
Wow Major Leaguer. First your real name needs to be mentioned to be considered a valid argument. Second, you say that the real problem is the five fire chiefs. Well, the problem in not the fire chiefs. The problem is not the sergeant who runs the dispatch center in Waterford. As a matter of fact, no one ever said any management or dispatcher was a problem anywhere. Throwing a shot at part-time dispatchers in East Lyme is totally reckless and obvious uneducated response from someone who is not worth their weight in anything. Those people are also responders other places and work just as hard and are trained to the same standards as full-time employees. Keep your mouth shut unless you have something intelligent to add to a discussion! Also, consildation is not a bad idea anywhere if the process is done correctly, contracts are negotiated legally, jobs are not thrown away like trash, and no one town has total control. That is the real issue here, not petty, obvious personal issues.
WJ Rix
11:47 am on Tuesday, February 7, 2012
First I would like to start by stating “No one from EL Fire & EMS is against Regionalization.” The problem is that none of their concerns have been addressed. Approximately a year ago East Lyme's 1st Selectman Paul Formica, came to the fire services with this concept, and he assured the fire service they would be apart of the process if it continued. The Officers & Members voiced their concerns on certain issues that would certainly arise. Mr Formica could not answer them at that time and said he would hold off until he could address our concerns and have possibly more than 1 option to present. A year later on January 12th 2012 the fire services were told they would be having a meeting with the EL 1st Selectman to discuss our “options” of Regionalization. The meeting would take place in the next couple of weeks. On January 25th the WTFD Patch web site released its first article “Waterford, East Lyme Looking to Share Dispatch” SHARE? That's not how any of this is being interpreted by the fire service. We the fire service were under the impression that we were going to discuss options. When the patch is stating an agreement was already tentatively reached. The patch's article, is the first notification of an agreement anyone from the Town of East Lyme Fire, EMS, Dispatcher, or Board of Selectmen were made aware of. No one within these agencies were aware this agreement was being brokered.
WJ Rix
11:47 am on Tuesday, February 7, 2012
Once again, no one is against regionalization, what they are opposed to, is having this agreement with Waterford with no input from the agencies of East Lyme that will be utilizing the service. The agreement proposed appears to benefit the Town of Waterford much more than East Lyme, in finances for grant money applied for. After the first WTFD Patch article was released, Mr. Formica with a seven month head start on the issue, and the issue now public, finally decided to include the Emergency agencies directly effected by this “merger” Which probably would not have happened if it wasn't made public in the patch.
WJ Rix
11:48 am on Tuesday, February 7, 2012
When this article hit the “Patch” it was also discovered that there was a draft contract in existence between the towns of Waterford and East Lyme. Which after reviewing benefited the Town of Waterford greatly. In the past year there have been 18 documented meetings. While 8 of the meetings were in of police in nature, 9 meetings were of dispatch criteria, radios, towers, etc. The eighteen meetings does not reflect telephone, emails or other types of communications that certainly took place. Of these eighteen meetings not one Fire Chief, Fire Officer, Emergency Medical Technician or fire department member was represented. If the documentation is correct, there also seems to be two meetings where no one from East Lyme was present. We understand the police have issues being supervised by the Ct State police. We support the EL police in there efforts to form their own department and we have all along. However, not at the expense of the emergency operations that volunteers and career personnel provide to the Town of East Lyme.
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